I used Black Modena and Simply Nature veiner for this. Black Modena is a lot less pliable and soft than normal but it’s still possible to work with , esp if you use smoother veiner. This veiner is great , though, totally worth the money. Check out my Youtube TUTORIAL , here’s the link from tutorials section, I never posted it like this , hope I’m allowed?…http://cakesdecor.com/entries/4836-hibiscus-flower-tutorial-cold-porcelain